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Adam Holt-2
1. Please all in the building, and remote contributors, remember to stay
wired in on IRC channel #olpc-help right here, for late-breaking
developments:

     http://forum.laptop.org/chat

2. Christoph (who will be reviewing our proposed TOC starting in about
30min) asks that folks editing http://j.mp/xomanual include a comment
whenever possible, before committing wiki edits -- makes it tons easier
to review our progress in Wiki pages' history, thanks!
And of course http://j.mp/xomanual is really:

     http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh

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Chris Leonard-3
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Holt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 1. Please all in the building, and remote contributors, remember to stay
> wired in on IRC channel #olpc-help right here, for late-breaking
> developments:
>
>    http://forum.laptop.org/chat
>
> 2. Christoph (who will be reviewing our proposed TOC starting in about
> 30min) asks that folks editing http://j.mp/xomanual include a comment
> whenever possible, before committing wiki edits -- makes it tons easier to
> review our progress in Wiki pages' history, thanks!
> And of course http://j.mp/xomanual is really:
>
>    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh
>


Just read through http://wiki.laptop.org/go/2012_Doc_Sprint_Planning_Chat

and I wanted to make a few comments.

I like the idea of using SVG to achieve the possibility of media i18n
and L10n very much, I look forward to seeing if Walter can quickly
hack up an SVG screen-shotter.  I must admit I have not extensively
explored itstool and SVG L10n in practice although in theory most of
the bits of the toolchain are there, I would be reluctant to lean on
it too heavily until it has been live-tested from start to finish.  I
completely agree that this is the future direction of media i18n/L10n,
it is just that I have not walked the complete path myself and I do
not know where the snags will be or what they will be.

Being conservative, I suspect that bitmap type (at least non-SVG)
screenshots will be part of the current round of published product.
In this circumstance, my recommendation is that the screenshots be
produced in parallel in English and Spanish (at least) to cover the
future of L10n (because English is the de facto bridging language for
L10n) and the largest single language audience of Sugar deployments
(Spanish-speaking South and Central America).

These parallel sets of images are perhaps most easily distinguished by
adopting a naming convention that includes an ISO-639 language code
suffix (e.g. Screenshot1-en.jpg and Screenshot1-es.jpg being the same
basic screenshot, one taken on a English XO, the other on a Spanish
XO).

Image repository concept

Given that the chapters or sections will be created on a Mediawiki
wiki instasnce (wiki.l.o or wiki.sl.o) the simplest image repository
is to just create an "image index" page on the wiki, upload the
images, and manually add a link to them on the index page.

The "image index" page could contain recommendations about image size
/ pixel counts, etc.  The index page could also theoretically serve as
a screenshot wiishlist that is filled in by the "image team'.

In this way, the uploaded images can be directly used in the wiki page
chapters you are creating in the normal wiki fashion (after all,
wiki's are designed with image content management and presentation in
mind) and a manually maintained image index page gives you another
useful way to focus on the image content (e.g. looking for
multilang-versions or keeping track of the progress of a proposed
"image team". )

Just some thoughts on image management and L10n for your
consideration.  Sorry I can't do more, but I'm swamped with L10n stuff
I need to catch up on.

cjl
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> Image repository concept
>
> Given that the chapters or sections will be created on a Mediawiki
> wiki instasnce (wiki.l.o or wiki.sl.o) the simplest image repository
> is to just create an "image index" page on the wiki, upload the
> images, and manually add a link to them on the index page.

It would be useful but it's extra work and prone to error,. IMO it's
better to name the images consistently ("Activity Name - xyz_es"),
categorize the images, and use existing special pages to track them.
If you categorize images, then you get a free thumbnail gallery when
you view the category. See e.g.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Babel_activity

Unfortunately, you don't get the free thumbnail if you search for all
images starting with ActivityName, e.g.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:PrefixIndex/File:TurtleArt or
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:ListFiles There are undoubtedly
wiki extensions that do galleries and provide more features.

> The "image index" page could contain recommendations about image size
> / pixel counts, etc.  The index page could also theoretically serve as
> a screenshot wiishlist that is filled in by the "image team'.

Authors can just link to the image they wish they had and you can get
a report of wanted images from
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:WantedFiles

One apparent restriction is you can't seem to insert an image from
another wiki using the usual markup, see
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sandbox#Test_Interwiki_image_links , so
the screenshots need to be on the same wiki as the chapter. There may
be hacks or extensions to get around this.

w.l.o has lots of existing screenshots but many are really out of
date. The file info in Special:ListFiles, e.g.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Special:ListFiles?limit=50&ilsearch=Browse&title=Special%3AListFiles
 .  It's probably best to just upload new versions over those names,
there's no point showing a 4-year old screenshot. When people upload
an image it would *really really* help if in the description they said
which software version they used.

> In this way, the uploaded images can be directly used in the wiki page
> chapters you are creating in the normal wiki fashion (after all,
> wiki's are designed with image content management and presentation in
> mind) and a manually maintained image index page gives you another
> useful way to focus on the image content (e.g. looking for
> multilang-versions or keeping track of the progress of a proposed
> "image team". )

Are there existing categories for English content and Spanish content?
Those could be applied to images, but perhaps it's probably better to
include an _es in the filename. On wiki.laptop.org you can query for
multiple categories, if you need special queries I can write them.

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> > The index page could also theoretically serve as
> > a screenshot wiishlist that is filled in by the "image team'.
>
> Authors can just link to the image they wish they had and you can get
> a report of wanted images from
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:WantedFiles

Even better, create Wanted_screenshot.png,   Wanted_icon_bar.png, Wanted_thumbnail.png, etc. Authors insert these stock images with a caption describing the desired image, then "image team" view one of these images and click What links here to find all pages missing that style of image.

I'll make these images tonight.


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Christoph Derndorfer
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM, S Page <[hidden email]> wrote:


> > The index page could also theoretically serve as
> > a screenshot wiishlist that is filled in by the "image team'.
>
> Authors can just link to the image they wish they had and you can get
> a report of wanted images from
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Special:WantedFiles

Even better, create Wanted_screenshot.png,   Wanted_icon_bar.png, Wanted_thumbnail.png, etc. Authors insert these stock images with a caption describing the desired image, then "image team" view one of these images and click What links here to find all pages missing that style of image.

I'll make these images tonight.

I'm not much of a wiki user so maybe I'm misunderstanding something here but all of this is starting to sound like quite a bit of overhead to me. If jumping over these extra hurdles bring a lot of value and can be described in simple terms then I'm all for it but I can't help but wonder whether this will take away precious time from actually producing a finished piece of work by Tuesday...

Christoph

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S Page-3
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 16:07, Christoph Derndorfer
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> If jumping over these extra hurdles bring a lot of value and can be described
> in simple terms then I'm all for it

Good point.  I see you're writing "MISSING IMAGE", that's fine too.
My alternative lets a writer show a placeholder image, see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Skierpage#Placeholder_images . Either
way makes it easy to find missing images.

I documented both under http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh#Images

I notice the instructions say 800px wide screenshots. I think it's
faster/better to leave them at 1200 wide and tell the HTML or markup
to display them smaller.

Cheers,

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Christoph Derndorfer
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM, S Page <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 16:07, Christoph Derndorfer
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> If jumping over these extra hurdles bring a lot of value and can be described
> in simple terms then I'm all for it

Good point.  I see you're writing "MISSING IMAGE", that's fine too.
My alternative lets a writer show a placeholder image, see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Skierpage#Placeholder_images . Either
way makes it easy to find missing images.

I documented both under http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh#Images

I notice the instructions say 800px wide screenshots. I think it's
faster/better to leave them at 1200 wide and tell the HTML or markup
to display them smaller.

Hi there, 

thanks a lot for adding the instructions to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_Activity_refresh#Images, much appreciated.

As for the width of the screenshots we chose the 800px wide because that works well for consumption on the XOs (as it leaves plenty of space for a menu, etc.).

I see little value in keeping the 1200px wide version (with the exception of reducing one step in the image work) as we can't count on having the manpower to do extensive post-processing, resizing of all images, funky exporting, etc. once everyone leaves here in just over 48 hours...

Christoph

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