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Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
Who: John, Tabitha, Tom

Testing XO-system 1a For XO-4 (build 46)
Sugar 0.98.7
Firmware Q7B35

Found that my previously described customization script was not working
right -- the /etc/sysconfig/keyboard change is overwritten during first
boot! Updated the customization script to also hack olpc-configure. Will
look at options to do this better later.

Found that this build does not include the Maori translations for sugar
itself. Worked with CJL to get the language pack into the customization
script. We’re not sure how we missed this as we have done a moderate
amount of testing with Maori in previous builds, perhaps we saw the
activities translated to Maori (activities are built differently) and
just didn’t notice that sugar itself had no Maori.

The language selector is awful. It’s slow to appear, the drop downs
don’t work the first time you use them and they scroll very slowly
compared to the number of entries but too fast to easily spot your
desired language. Sometimes when changing the language, when you click
the restart now, nothing happens. If you click restart later and then
restart the whole laptop the changes seem to take affect.

Some activities that we were expecting to be there, were not (maybe we
are getting confused between builds prepared for different deployments).
There is no GetBooks but there is Read (without any books!). There is
also no Infoslice. There is no SocialCalc. There is no eToys.

In Browse we went to activities.sugarlabs.org and tried to use the touch
screen to write in the search but that didn’t work, you had to use the
touchpad button to activate the search box. You also couldn’t just touch
the button that starts the search, you had to use the touchpad button
(or enter key). You could however use the touchscreen to select the
activity to go to the activity page and touch to select download.
Activities did however download successfully, install and run (like the
Music keyboard activity btw).
There used to be a menu on the left side of the homepage in Browse but
it has gone on all the XO-4 homepages. You used to use that menu to
access maps, images and sound files, as well as any published Infoslice
activity.

Maze works.
Paint works well with touchscreen.
Physics works well with touchscreen.
Implode works well with touchscreen.
Portfolio works.
Measure works well with touchscreen.
Labyrinth works.

Write works and the Maori Macrons (now, after some changes) work. The
insertion of a table changes the font to times new roman which is not
actually a listed font available in Write.

We’re not sure if there is a camera in the XO-4 SKU 303 serial
SHC318001EC we just got from Australia, there is something there but it
is at best mis-aligned. This laptop did get banged against a wall on
it’s handle while it was closed. The direction of the impact was mostly
parallel with the plane of the shut laptop and wasn’t too severe. Could
this move the camera in the body of the laptop and also break it?
Firmware camera test fails, record behaves reasonably (it only offers to
record sound). Barry reports the second XO from the pair in this
shipment has a working camera. The XO-4 we got from Boston does
recognise it’s camera on and it can take high and low quality video
well. Will take photographs and wait for advice before opening.

Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously
reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971
Clock - loving the new grab hands feature, still doesn’t talk when XO is
in Maori. Maori issue also reported in the same 3971 ticket.

Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an
inappropriate translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to
a word more appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).

On some laptops terminal is called Terminal and on others it is called
Kāpeka.

WikipediaEN has not had an activity name translation either but this
might be deliberate.

Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due
to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not
been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

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>Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an 
>inappropriate translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to 
>a word more appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).

In spanish we have the same problem, and the Labyrinth name was
changed to "Mind maps".
Would be good rename the activity in the activity.info to "Mind maps" and avoid
this problems.

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Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
Who: John, Tabitha, Tom

Testing XO-system 1a For XO-4 (build 46)
Sugar 0.98.7
Firmware Q7B35

Found that my previously described customization script was not working
right -- the /etc/sysconfig/keyboard change is overwritten during first
boot! Updated the customization script to also hack olpc-configure. Will
look at options to do this better later.

Found that this build does not include the Maori translations for sugar
itself. Worked with CJL to get the language pack into the customization
script. We're not sure how we missed this as we have done a moderate
amount of testing with Maori in previous builds, perhaps we saw the
activities translated to Maori (activities are built differently) and
just didn't notice that sugar itself had no Maori.

The language selector is awful. It's slow to appear, the drop downs
don't work the first time you use them and they scroll very slowly
compared to the number of entries but too fast to easily spot your
desired language. Sometimes when changing the language, when you click
the restart now, nothing happens. If you click restart later and then
restart the whole laptop the changes seem to take affect.

Some activities that we were expecting to be there, were not (maybe we
are getting confused between builds prepared for different deployments).
There is no GetBooks but there is Read (without any books!). There is
also no Infoslice. There is no SocialCalc. There is no eToys.

In Browse we went to activities.sugarlabs.org and tried to use the touch
screen to write in the search but that didn't work, you had to use the
touchpad button to activate the search box. You also couldn't just touch
the button that starts the search, you had to use the touchpad button
(or enter key). You could however use the touchscreen to select the
activity to go to the activity page and touch to select download.
Activities did however download successfully, install and run (like the
Music keyboard activity btw).
There used to be a menu on the left side of the homepage in Browse but
it has gone on all the XO-4 homepages. You used to use that menu to
access maps, images and sound files, as well as any published Infoslice
activity.

Maze works.
Paint works well with touchscreen.
Physics works well with touchscreen.
Implode works well with touchscreen.
Portfolio works.
Measure works well with touchscreen.
Labyrinth works.

Write works and the Maori Macrons (now, after some changes) work. The
insertion of a table changes the font to times new roman which is not
actually a listed font available in Write.

We're not sure if there is a camera in the XO-4 SKU 303 serial
SHC318001EC we just got from Australia, there is something there but it
is at best mis-aligned. This laptop did get banged against a wall on
it's handle while it was closed. The direction of the impact was mostly
parallel with the plane of the shut laptop and wasn't too severe. Could
this move the camera in the body of the laptop and also break it?
Firmware camera test fails, record behaves reasonably (it only offers to
record sound). Barry reports the second XO from the pair in this
shipment has a working camera. The XO-4 we got from Boston does
recognise it's camera on and it can take high and low quality video
well. Will take photographs and wait for advice before opening.

Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously
reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971
Clock - loving the new grab hands feature, still doesn't talk when XO is
in Maori. Maori issue also reported in the same 3971 ticket.

Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an
inappropriate translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to
a word more appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).

On some laptops terminal is called Terminal and on others it is called
Kāpeka.

WikipediaEN has not had an activity name translation either but this
might be deliberate.

Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due
to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not
been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

Walter Bender-4
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an
>>inappropriate translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to
>>a word more appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).
>
> In spanish we have the same problem, and the Labyrinth name was
> changed to "Mind maps".
> Would be good rename the activity in the activity.info to "Mind maps" and
> avoid
> this problems.

The name doesn't make sense in English either. But at a minimum, a
translation comment would be helpful.

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 22:01:52 +1200
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email];
> [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
>
>
> Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
> Who: John, Tabitha, Tom
>
> Testing XO-system 1a For XO-4 (build 46)
> Sugar 0.98.7
> Firmware Q7B35
>
> Found that my previously described customization script was not working
> right -- the /etc/sysconfig/keyboard change is overwritten during first
> boot! Updated the customization script to also hack olpc-configure. Will
> look at options to do this better later.
>
> Found that this build does not include the Maori translations for sugar
> itself. Worked with CJL to get the language pack into the customization
> script. We're not sure how we missed this as we have done a moderate
> amount of testing with Maori in previous builds, perhaps we saw the
> activities translated to Maori (activities are built differently) and
> just didn't notice that sugar itself had no Maori.
>
> The language selector is awful. It's slow to appear, the drop downs
> don't work the first time you use them and they scroll very slowly
> compared to the number of entries but too fast to easily spot your
> desired language. Sometimes when changing the language, when you click
> the restart now, nothing happens. If you click restart later and then
> restart the whole laptop the changes seem to take affect.
>
> Some activities that we were expecting to be there, were not (maybe we
> are getting confused between builds prepared for different deployments).
> There is no GetBooks but there is Read (without any books!). There is
> also no Infoslice. There is no SocialCalc. There is no eToys.

Since you were testing the build for AU, the activities are the ones
they selected.

>
> In Browse we went to activities.sugarlabs.org and tried to use the touch
> screen to write in the search but that didn't work, you had to use the
> touchpad button to activate the search box. You also couldn't just touch
> the button that starts the search, you had to use the touchpad button
> (or enter key). You could however use the touchscreen to select the
> activity to go to the activity page and touch to select download.
> Activities did however download successfully, install and run (like the
> Music keyboard activity btw).

Did you launch Browse while in tablet mode? Or switch to tablet mode?

> There used to be a menu on the left side of the homepage in Browse but
> it has gone on all the XO-4 homepages. You used to use that menu to
> access maps, images and sound files, as well as any published Infoslice
> activity.
>
> Maze works.
> Paint works well with touchscreen.
> Physics works well with touchscreen.
> Implode works well with touchscreen.
> Portfolio works.
> Measure works well with touchscreen.
> Labyrinth works.
>
> Write works and the Maori Macrons (now, after some changes) work. The
> insertion of a table changes the font to times new roman which is not
> actually a listed font available in Write.
>
> We're not sure if there is a camera in the XO-4 SKU 303 serial
> SHC318001EC we just got from Australia, there is something there but it
> is at best mis-aligned. This laptop did get banged against a wall on
> it's handle while it was closed. The direction of the impact was mostly
> parallel with the plane of the shut laptop and wasn't too severe. Could
> this move the camera in the body of the laptop and also break it?
> Firmware camera test fails, record behaves reasonably (it only offers to
> record sound). Barry reports the second XO from the pair in this
> shipment has a working camera. The XO-4 we got from Boston does
> recognise it's camera on and it can take high and low quality video
> well. Will take photographs and wait for advice before opening.
>
> Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously
> reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971
> Clock - loving the new grab hands feature, still doesn't talk when XO is
> in Maori. Maori issue also reported in the same 3971 ticket.
>
> Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an
> inappropriate translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to
> a word more appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).
>
> On some laptops terminal is called Terminal and on others it is called
> Kāpeka.

Most likely different versions of the activity?
>
> WikipediaEN has not had an activity name translation either but this
> might be deliberate.
>
> Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due
> to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not
> been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

I will check to make sure all of the latest strings are downloaded
from Pootle. Turlte Blocks should be translated. Will investigate.

>
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As always, thanks for testing.

-walter

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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

Walter Bender-4
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I'm not sure at what point you guys started posted your Sugar bugs in
the Dextrose tracker instead of the Sugar tracker, but I would urge
you to post in the Sugar tracker going forward. It will give your bugs
broader exposure to the Sugar community and greatly increase the odds
that the bug is fixed and, importantly, that the fix is upstreamed so
that it doesn't reoccur with each new release. I would suspect the
same is true for platform bugs and the OLPC tracker.

thx.

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Tom Parker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
> Who: John, Tabitha, Tom
>
> Testing XO-system 1a For XO-4 (build 46)
> Sugar 0.98.7
> Firmware Q7B35
>
> Found that my previously described customization script was not working
> right -- the /etc/sysconfig/keyboard change is overwritten during first
> boot! Updated the customization script to also hack olpc-configure. Will
> look at options to do this better later.

If you look a bit closer at olpc-configure you will see that you can
set defaults in /etc/olpc-configure/
These can also be trivially set by olpc-os-builder if that suits your
workflow (see base module docs).

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On 6 July 2013 05:01, Tom Parker <[hidden email]> wrote:
Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
Who: John, Tabitha, Tom

Testing XO-system 1a For XO-4 (build 46)
Sugar 0.98.7
Firmware Q7B35

Found that my previously described customization script was not working right -- the /etc/sysconfig/keyboard change is overwritten during first boot! Updated the customization script to also hack olpc-configure. Will look at options to do this better later.


The keyboard setting is read from the embedded data on the XO. No real need to hack olpc-configure the OOB override shows the correct way of populating files as to avoid this.

 
Found that this build does not include the Maori translations for sugar itself. Worked with CJL to get the language pack into the customization script. We’re not sure how we missed this as we have done a moderate amount of testing with Maori in previous builds, perhaps we saw the activities translated to Maori (activities are built differently) and just didn’t notice that sugar itself had no Maori.


Now that a fixed language pack is available, I will include it in the next build.

Jerry
 
The language selector is awful. It’s slow to appear, the drop downs don’t work the first time you use them and they scroll very slowly compared to the number of entries but too fast to easily spot your desired language. Sometimes when changing the language, when you click the restart now, nothing happens. If you click restart later and then restart the whole laptop the changes seem to take affect.
 
Some activities that we were expecting to be there, were not (maybe we are getting confused between builds prepared for different deployments). There is no GetBooks but there is Read (without any books!). There is also no Infoslice. There is no SocialCalc. There is no eToys.

In Browse we went to activities.sugarlabs.org and tried to use the touch screen to write in the search but that didn’t work, you had to use the touchpad button to activate the search box. You also couldn’t just touch the button that starts the search, you had to use the touchpad button (or enter key). You could however use the touchscreen to select the activity to go to the activity page and touch to select download. Activities did however download successfully, install and run (like the Music keyboard activity btw).
There used to be a menu on the left side of the homepage in Browse but it has gone on all the XO-4 homepages. You used to use that menu to access maps, images and sound files, as well as any published Infoslice activity.

Maze works.
Paint works well with touchscreen.
Physics works well with touchscreen.
Implode works well with touchscreen.
Portfolio works.
Measure works well with touchscreen.
Labyrinth works.

Write works and the Maori Macrons (now, after some changes) work. The insertion of a table changes the font to times new roman which is not actually a listed font available in Write.

We’re not sure if there is a camera in the XO-4 SKU 303 serial SHC318001EC we just got from Australia, there is something there but it is at best mis-aligned. This laptop did get banged against a wall on it’s handle while it was closed. The direction of the impact was mostly parallel with the plane of the shut laptop and wasn’t too severe. Could this move the camera in the body of the laptop and also break it? Firmware camera test fails, record behaves reasonably (it only offers to record sound). Barry reports the second XO from the pair in this shipment has a working camera. The XO-4 we got from Boston does recognise it’s camera on and it can take high and low quality video well. Will take photographs and wait for advice before opening.

Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971
Clock - loving the new grab hands feature, still doesn’t talk when XO is in Maori. Maori issue also reported in the same 3971 ticket.

Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an inappropriate translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to a word more appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).

On some laptops terminal is called Terminal and on others it is called Kāpeka.

WikipediaEN has not had an activity name translation either but this might be deliberate.

Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Walter Bender
> Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due
> to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not
> been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

I will check to make sure all of the latest strings are downloaded
from Pootle. Turlte Blocks should be translated. Will investigate.


The string for "TurtleBlocks" is currently marked 'fuzzy", which means it will not appear in builds.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/mi/fructose/turtleart-activity.po?view_mode=translate

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Chris Leonard <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Walter Bender

> Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due
> to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not
> been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

I will check to make sure all of the latest strings are downloaded
from Pootle. Turlte Blocks should be translated. Will investigate.


The string for "TurtleBlocks" is currently marked 'fuzzy", which means it will not appear in builds.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/mi/fructose/turtleart-activity.po?view_mode=translate



The Fuzzy string for TurtleBlocks (may be a fuzzy match to TurtleArt)

HonuKaretao

honu = turtle

karetao (noun) toy carved in human form with arms moved by pulling a string, puppet, marionette, robot, jumping jack.

Just unfuzzying it may result in the Labrynth/Maze issue (two things same name).  An alternative might be something like:

HonuPereki
or
HonuParaka


pereki = (bricks) (from an online dictionary)

"block" seems to be translated as paraka elsewhere in the PO file, not sure what the difference between  pereki and paraka might be.


We really need more Maori localization work done.

cjl
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HonuKaretao is the translation of "TurtleBots", so just unfuzzying it would produce a name collision.

cjl

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Chris Leonard <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Walter Bender

> Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due
> to new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not
> been translated (but again that might be deliberate).

I will check to make sure all of the latest strings are downloaded
from Pootle. Turlte Blocks should be translated. Will investigate.


The string for "TurtleBlocks" is currently marked 'fuzzy", which means it will not appear in builds.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/mi/fructose/turtleart-activity.po?view_mode=translate



The Fuzzy string for TurtleBlocks (may be a fuzzy match to TurtleArt)

HonuKaretao

honu = turtle

karetao (noun) toy carved in human form with arms moved by pulling a string, puppet, marionette, robot, jumping jack.

Just unfuzzying it may result in the Labrynth/Maze issue (two things same name).  An alternative might be something like:

HonuPereki
or
HonuParaka


pereki = (bricks) (from an online dictionary)

"block" seems to be translated as paraka elsewhere in the PO file, not sure what the difference between  pereki and paraka might be.


We really need more Maori localization work done.

cjl
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Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971

I was able to identify a printf error in the L10n of Moon. I corrected it and committed it.

A new release (or an overwrite by the maori langpack) should hopefully correct the Moon failure.


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Clock - loving the new grab hands feature, still doesn’t talk when XO is in Maori. Maori issue also reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971


To make the talking clock work, a certain line needs to be configured as a bunch of Pango markup, which almost not translation team gets correct.

So I found a website on telling time in Māori:

http://www.maori.org.nz/cgi-bin/quizzes/quiztest.cgi?3etellingthetime

I mocked up what I think is the correct Pango strings for the talking clock and added it to the PO file (as fuzzy).

As telling time is important to get right in an educational setting, I would prefer if a Māori speaker reviewed this and unfuzzied this string if it is correct.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/mi/honey/clock.po?item=20&view_mode=translate


        time(12, 0) => <span foreground="\#005FE4">hour(12)</span> |\n
        time(0, 0) => <span foreground="\#005FE4">hour(0)</span> |\n
        time(h, 0) => <span foreground="\#005FE4">hour(h)</span> o'clock am_pm(h) |\n
        time(h, m) [m < 31] => <span foreground="\#00B20D">min(m)</span> mai i te <span foreground="\#005FE4">hour(h)</span> am_pm(h) |\n
        time(h, m) [30 < m] => <span foreground="\#00B20D">min(m)</span> ki te <span foreground="\#005FE4">hour1(h)</span> am_pm(h) |\n
        min(1) => tahi mēneti |\n
        min(2) => rua ngā mēneti |\n
        min(3) => toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(4) => whā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(5) => rima ngā mēneti |\n
        min(6) => ono ngā mēneti |\n
        min(7) => whitu ngā mēneti |\n
        min(8) => waru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(9) => iwa ngā mēneti |\n
        min(10) => tekau ngā mēneti |\n
        min(11) => tekau mā tahi ngā mēneti |\n
        min(12) => tekau mā rua ngā mēneti |\n
        min(13) => tekau mā toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(14) => tekau mā whā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(15) => hauwha |\n
        min(16) => tekau mā ono ngā mēneti |\n
        min(17) => tekau mā whitu ngā mēneti |\n
        min(18) => tekau mā waru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(19) => tekau mā iwa ngā mēneti |\n
        min(20) => rua tekau mā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(21) => rua tekau mā tahi ngā mēneti |\n
        min(22) => rua tekau mā rua ngā mēneti |\n
        min(23) => rua tekau mā toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(24) => rua tekau mā whā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(25) => rua tekau mā rima ngā mēneti |\n
        min(26) => rua tekau mā ono ngā mēneti |\n
        min(27) => rua tekau mā whitu ngā mēneti |\n
        min(28) => rua tekau mā waru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(29) => rua tekau mā iwa ngā mēneti |\n
        min(30) =>  haurua |\n
        min(31) => rua tekau mā iwa ngā mēneti |\n
        min(32) => rua tekau mā waru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(33) => rua tekau mā whitu ngā mēneti |\n
        min(34) => rua tekau mā ono ngā mēneti |\n
        min(35) => rua tekau mā rima ngā mēneti |\n
        min(36) => rua tekau mā whā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(37) => rua tekau mā toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(38) => rua tekau mā rua ngā mēneti |\n
        min(39) => rua tekau mā tahi ngā mēneti |\n
        min(40) => rua tekau mā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(41) => tekau mā iwa ngā mēneti |\n
        min(42) => tekau mā waru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(43) => tekau mā whitu ngā mēneti |\n
        min(44) => tekau mā toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(45) => hauwha |\n
        min(46) => tekau mā whā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(47) => tekau mā toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(48) => tekau mā rua ngā mēneti |\n
        min(49) => tekau mā tahi ngā mēneti |\n
        min(50) => tekau ngā mēneti |\n
        min(51) => iwa ngā mēneti |\n
        min(52) => waru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(53) => whitu ngā mēneti |\n
        min(54) => ono ngā mēneti |\n
        min(55) => rima ngā mēneti |\n
        min(56) => whā ngā mēneti |\n
        min(57) => toru ngā mēneti |\n
        min(58) => rua ngā mēneti |\n
        min(59) => tahi mēneti |\n
        min(60) => ono tekau ngā mēneti |\n
        hour(0) => tekau mā rua |\n
        hour(1) => kotahi te wa |\n
        hour(2) => rua te wa |\n
        hour(3) => toru te wa |\n
        hour(4) => whā te wa |\n
        hour(5) => rima te wa |\n
        hour(6) => ono te wa |\n
        hour(7) => whitu te wa |\n
        hour(8) => waru te wa |\n
        hour(9) => iwa te wa |\n
        hour(10) => tekau te wa |\n
        hour(11) => tekau mā tahi te wa |\n
        hour(12) => tekau mā rua te wa |\n
        hour(13) => tahi te wa |\n
        hour(14) => rua te wa |\n
        hour(15) => toru te wa |\n
        hour(16) => whā te wa |\n
        hour(17) => rima te wa |\n
        hour(18) => ono te wa |\n
        hour(19) => whitu te wa |\n
        hour(20) => waru te wa |\n
        hour(21) => iwa te wa |\n
        hour(22) => tekau te wa |\n
        hour(23) => tekau mā tahi te wa |\n
        hour1(0) => tahi te wa |\n
        hour1(1) => rua te wa |\n
        hour1(2) => toru te wa |\n
        hour1(3) => whā te wa |\n
        hour1(4) => rima te wa |\n
        hour1(5) => ono te wa |\n
        hour1(6) => whitu te wa |\n
        hour1(7) => waru te wa |\n
        hour1(8) => iwa te wa |\n
        hour1(9) => tekau te wa |\n
        hour1(10) => tekau mā tahi te wa |\n
        hour1(11) => tekau mā rua te wa |\n
        hour1(12) => tahi te wa |\n
        hour1(13) => rua te wa |\n
        hour1(14) => toru te wa |\n
        hour1(15) => whā te wa |\n
        hour1(16) => rima te wa |\n
        hour1(17) => ono te wa |\n
        hour1(18) => whitu te wa |\n
        hour1(19) => waru te wa |\n
        hour1(20) => iwa te wa |\n
        hour1(21) => tekau te wa |\n
        hour1(22) => tekau mā tahi te wa |\n
        hour1(23) => tekau mā rua te wa |\n
        am_pm(h) [ h < 12] => AM |\n
        am_pm(_) => PM
 


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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

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On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Barry Vercoe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Tom (and I've added Rangan to this thread because Manaia is our first XO-Duo
> deployment).
>
> Thanks for your comprehensive testing yesterday.  I trust we can resolve at
> least some to these before Tabitha and I reflash the 25 new Duos in Manaia
> on Tuesday.
>
> NB:  I've noticed another issue on the Touch interface -- when starting any
> activity via Touch, there's no choice of whether Resume or Start New.  We
> always get Resume.  The Start New option comes only via the keypad or
> external mouse pointer.  Is this the intended behaviour?

Have you tried a "long touch", i.e., holding your finger down on the
icon until the menu appears? Then you should be able to select New.

-walter

>
> -- barry
>
> On 6/07/2013 10:01 p.m., Tom Parker wrote:
>
> Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
> Who: John, Tabitha, Tom
>
> Testing XO-system 1a For XO-4 (build 46)
> Sugar 0.98.7
> Firmware Q7B35
>
> Found that my previously described customization script was not working
> right -- the /etc/sysconfig/keyboard change is overwritten during first
> boot! Updated the customization script to also hack olpc-configure. Will
> look at options to do this better later.
>
> Found that this build does not include the Maori translations for sugar
> itself. Worked with CJL to get the language pack into the customization
> script. We’re not sure how we missed this as we have done a moderate amount
> of testing with Maori in previous builds, perhaps we saw the activities
> translated to Maori (activities are built differently) and just didn’t
> notice that sugar itself had no Maori.
>
> The language selector is awful. It’s slow to appear, the drop downs don’t
> work the first time you use them and they scroll very slowly compared to the
> number of entries but too fast to easily spot your desired language.
> Sometimes when changing the language, when you click the restart now,
> nothing happens. If you click restart later and then restart the whole
> laptop the changes seem to take affect.
>
> Some activities that we were expecting to be there, were not (maybe we are
> getting confused between builds prepared for different deployments). There
> is no GetBooks but there is Read (without any books!). There is also no
> Infoslice. There is no SocialCalc. There is no eToys.
>
> In Browse we went to activities.sugarlabs.org and tried to use the touch
> screen to write in the search but that didn’t work, you had to use the
> touchpad button to activate the search box. You also couldn’t just touch the
> button that starts the search, you had to use the touchpad button (or enter
> key). You could however use the touchscreen to select the activity to go to
> the activity page and touch to select download. Activities did however
> download successfully, install and run (like the Music keyboard activity
> btw).
> There used to be a menu on the left side of the homepage in Browse but it
> has gone on all the XO-4 homepages. You used to use that menu to access
> maps, images and sound files, as well as any published Infoslice activity.
>
> Maze works.
> Paint works well with touchscreen.
> Physics works well with touchscreen.
> Implode works well with touchscreen.
> Portfolio works.
> Measure works well with touchscreen.
> Labyrinth works.
>
> Write works and the Maori Macrons (now, after some changes) work. The
> insertion of a table changes the font to times new roman which is not
> actually a listed font available in Write.
>
> We’re not sure if there is a camera in the XO-4 SKU 303 serial SHC318001EC
> we just got from Australia, there is something there but it is at best
> mis-aligned. This laptop did get banged against a wall on it’s handle while
> it was closed. The direction of the impact was mostly parallel with the
> plane of the shut laptop and wasn’t too severe. Could this move the camera
> in the body of the laptop and also break it? Firmware camera test fails,
> record behaves reasonably (it only offers to record sound). Barry reports
> the second XO from the pair in this shipment has a working camera. The XO-4
> we got from Boston does recognise it’s camera on and it can take high and
> low quality video well. Will take photographs and wait for advice before
> opening.
>
> Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously reported
> in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971
> Clock - loving the new grab hands feature, still doesn’t talk when XO is in
> Maori. Maori issue also reported in the same 3971 ticket.
>
> Labyrinth and Maze are both called Kōwhīwhiwhi - suggests an inappropriate
> translation of Labyrinth (guess it should be translated to a word more
> appropriate for brainstorm/mindmap activity).
>
> On some laptops terminal is called Terminal and on others it is called
> Kāpeka.
>
> WikipediaEN has not had an activity name translation either but this might
> be deliberate.
>
> Turtleblocks activity has a partial translation inside the activity due to
> new blocks being added. The name of the Turtleblocks activity has not been
> translated (but again that might be deliberate).
>
>
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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

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On 07/07/13 01:39, Walter Bender wrote:
> I'm not sure at what point you guys started posted your Sugar bugs in
> the Dextrose tracker instead of the Sugar tracker, but I would urge
> you to post in the Sugar tracker going forward. It will give your bugs
> broader exposure to the Sugar community and greatly increase the odds
> that the bug is fixed and, importantly, that the fix is upstreamed so
> that it doesn't reoccur with each new release. I would suspect the
> same is true for platform bugs and the OLPC tracker.

Barry's work is tied up with olpc-au which, if I'm not mistaken, is tied
up with Dextrose. Having said that it is a bit a of a mystery what XO
System 1a is, who is working on it and where we should report bugs.

We'll use the sugar tracker when it's not obviously a olpc bug in future.
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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

Walter Bender-4
It is Dextrose, but from the Sugar perspective, the bits are (almost)
all coming from upstream, which is also where most bug fixes occur. So
best to report them closest to the source. Thx.

-walter

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Tom Parker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 07/07/13 01:39, Walter Bender wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure at what point you guys started posted your Sugar bugs in
>> the Dextrose tracker instead of the Sugar tracker, but I would urge
>> you to post in the Sugar tracker going forward. It will give your bugs
>> broader exposure to the Sugar community and greatly increase the odds
>> that the bug is fixed and, importantly, that the fix is upstreamed so
>> that it doesn't reoccur with each new release. I would suspect the
>> same is true for platform bugs and the OLPC tracker.
>
>
> Barry's work is tied up with olpc-au which, if I'm not mistaken, is tied up
> with Dextrose. Having said that it is a bit a of a mystery what XO System 1a
> is, who is working on it and where we should report bugs.
>
> We'll use the sugar tracker when it's not obviously a olpc bug in future.



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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

David Farning
Yes.

Several years ago Activity Central and OLPC Australia partnered to
develop Dextrose. For marketing purposes OLPC-AU then re-branded
Dextrose as XO System. During the recent restructuring at OLPC-AU
decided not to continue the partnership.

I suggested and fully support this decision. AC's purpose is to help
deployments who chose not to emphasize building internal development
capacity. If/when they are confidant with their own development
capacity there is _zero_lock_in_ on a the side of AC or Dextrose. All
of Dextrose code and graphics is freely reusable.

We are here if you need us.

Best wishes to all on a successful XO System rollout.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Walter Bender <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It is Dextrose, but from the Sugar perspective, the bits are (almost)
> all coming from upstream, which is also where most bug fixes occur. So
> best to report them closest to the source. Thx.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Tom Parker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 07/07/13 01:39, Walter Bender wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure at what point you guys started posted your Sugar bugs in
>>> the Dextrose tracker instead of the Sugar tracker, but I would urge
>>> you to post in the Sugar tracker going forward. It will give your bugs
>>> broader exposure to the Sugar community and greatly increase the odds
>>> that the bug is fixed and, importantly, that the fix is upstreamed so
>>> that it doesn't reoccur with each new release. I would suspect the
>>> same is true for platform bugs and the OLPC tracker.
>>
>>
>> Barry's work is tied up with olpc-au which, if I'm not mistaken, is tied up
>> with Dextrose. Having said that it is a bit a of a mystery what XO System 1a
>> is, who is working on it and where we should report bugs.
>>
>> We'll use the sugar tracker when it's not obviously a olpc bug in future.
>
>
>
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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

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On 07/07/13 04:09, Chris Leonard wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Tom Parker <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013
>
>     Moon still fails to start when the XO language is Maori. Previously
>     reported in https://sugardextrose.org/issues/3971
>
>
> I was able to identify a printf error in the L10n of Moon. I corrected
> it and committed it.
>
> A new release (or an overwrite by the maori langpack) should hopefully
> correct the Moon failure.

Confirmed moon is working with the latest language pack. Have separately
sent Tabitha instructions for updating the laptops.

Thank you!
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Re: Auckland Testing Summary 6 July 2013

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On 07/07/13 03:05, Daniel Drake wrote:
> If you look a bit closer at olpc-configure you will see that you can
> set defaults in /etc/olpc-configure/
> These can also be trivially set by olpc-os-builder if that suits your
> workflow (see base module docs).

Thank you for the tip, I adjusted my script to set the default in
/etc/olpc-configure. I guess doing it this way means the customization
will survive olpc-update where before it might not have?
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